Haymarket Affair Digital Collection

Illinois vs. August Spies et al. trial transcript no. 1
Testimony of Henry Lindemeyer (first appearance), 1886 Aug. 5.

Volume M, 74-81, 8 p.
Lindemeyer, Henry.
Mason and calcimator.

Direct examination by Mr. Foster. Cross-examination by Mr. Ingham. Testified through an interpreter. Testified on behalf of the Defense, Spies, August et al.

On May 4, 1886 worked in a closet at the Arbeiter-Zeitung office where on May 5, 1886, police found dynamite. Testified on various topics (page numbers provide a partial guide): items confiscated from the Arbeiter-Zeitung office or the defendants' homes (vol.M 76), the Arbeiter-Zeitung (vol.M 74), Spies, August (vol.M 74), Schwab, Michael (vol.M 76).

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a witness called and sworn on behalf of the defendants, was examined in chief by Mr. Foster, and testified as follows: This witness testified through interpreter Gauss.

Q What is your name?

A Henry Lindemeyer.

Q Ask him where he lives?

A 503 Noble street.

Q What is your business?

A I am a mason.

Q Do you also do calcimining?

A Yes sir.

Q Are you acquanted with Mr. Spies, the defendant?

A Yes sir.

Q Do you know where the editorial room is, in the Arbeiter Zeitung office, the floor next to the top?

A Yes.

Q And two floors above the street?

A He says it is three floors above the street.

The Court: Q The third floor?

A The third floor.

Mr. Foster: Q Did you do any work in that room, in the editorial rooms during the month of May?

A No.

Q Did you use any part of that room for any purpose, the closet of that room?

A Yes sir, there was a closet in the rear of it, which I used---I put on my working clothes and left them there when I got through.

Q What were you doing there at that time?

A I calcimined everything down from the type-setting room, on top.

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Q When did you do that?

A I commenced the second Sunday in May and stopped on Wednesday, the 5th.

Q Now, while you were there, did you have occasion to hunt for anything in this closet off of the editorial rooms, and if so, what, and how did it come about?

A It was not a clothes closet, it was an open closet, in which was a shelf, on which shelf I placed some things, and I had lost the brush which I looked for.

Q Now, did you look in the closet, and if so where, for the brush?

A In the closet. There was a shelf in the closet on which I looked for my brush. There was some papers lying which I took down, and I didn't find my brush.

Q Did you stand on anything while you were looking on the shelf, and if so, what?

A Yes, I stood on a chair.

Q What did you find on the shelf at that time?

Mr. Grinnell: Q Does it appear what time this was?

Mr. Foster: I will come to that question.

Mr. Grinnell: Then we object to it until we find out when it was.

The Court: It should appear in order to be of any consequence when this search was made.

Mr. Foster: Did you find anything on the shelf?

Objected to until it is found out when it was.

The Court: When was it?

Mr. Foster: Q When was it you were looking for your

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brush in that closet?

A On Tuesday, the 4th of May.

Q What time in the day?

A At about noon time---I can't tell exactly whether it was before or afternoon.

Q At that time did you find any bundle, any large package on the shelf?

A No.

Q Did you see any dynamite?

A No.

Q Now, did you see any indication on the shelf of greasiness, a grease muss of any character on the shelf?

A No.

Q How long have you lived in Chicago?

A Twenty years.

Q What was your business all that time?

A I was a mason.

Q Have you a family?

A Yes.

Cross Examination by
Mr. Ingham.

Q How long have you known Spies?

A Well, I think quite a time, seven or eight years, I don't know precisely.

Q Are you on the bonds of his brother now?

A Yes.

Q Who is charged with conspiracy growing out of the haymarket troubles, is he not?

A Yes, for trespass.

Q How long did you say you had known August Spies?

A That I can't say exactly. It is seven or eight years--it may be longer.

Q Do you know Schwab?

A Yes.

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Q How long have you known Schwab?

A About the same time, three or four years, as long as he is here.

Q Where did you see Schwab?

A I saw him at several meetings.

Q Meetings of what?

A At public meetings.

Q Public meetings held where?

A At different places.

Q What places?

A At Turner Hall or other halls, I don't know.

Q where did you used to see Spies?

A Spies I saw nearly every day---he lives in my neighborood on the northwest side.

Q How long has he lived in your neighborhood?

A That I don't know precisely, he lives there quite a time.

Q Did you ever read his paper?

A Yes.

Q Did you ever take it?

A Yes.

Q How long did you take the Arbeiter Zeitung?

A So long as it is in existence.

Q How long have you been working in the building on the 3d of May, how many days had you been there?

A I commenced the 2nd of May and stopped the 5th.

Q Where was the closet in which you looked for your brush?

A On the third floor, in the rear of the editing room.

Q Third floor from the ground?

A Yes.

Q Did that room face east or west?

A The closet was southeast, part.

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Q What kind of a closet was that?

A It was about four or five foot square.

Q How high was it?

A It was as high as the room---I can't say exactly---about twelve foot. It might have been eleven feet or twelve feet---I can't say.

Q How many shelves were there in the closet?

A Only one.

Q Are you sure of that?

A Yes, I am sure of it.

Q You can't be mistaken about that?

A No.

Q Were not there two in the closet?

A No, there was no other shelf. There was some other fixings. There was a water closet under which I had secreted some things.

Mr. Zeisler: He said wash stand.

A Yes, wash stand.

The Interpreter: He means to say a closet for washing purposes.

Mr. Ingham: Q Then you say in the closet which you searched there was only one shelf?

The Court: He has answered it.

Mr. Ingham: Q Had you calcimined that room?

A Yes, before that.

Q How long before?

A A few weeks.

Q Which floor did you calcimine first?

A The upper one.

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Q When did you calcimine that?

A On Sunday.

Q How long before the 4th of May?

A It was on the 2nd of May.

Q When was it you calcimined the editorial rooms?

A That I can't state precisely. It was a few weeks previous.

Q When did you whitewash the library or calcimine it?

A On the 5th of May.

Q When was it you left your things in the closet?

A From the 2nd to the 5th of May I left my things remain there, at least to the forenoon of the 5th of May.

Q When was it you looked for your things?

A It was on the 4th of May about noon time, either before or after noon hour.

Q What time on the 5th of May did you take your things from that closet?

A While the police were there, the forenoon of the 5th of May I took my things away, and took them to some other place.

Q What were the things you left in that closet?

A My working clothes and my tools.

Q Where in that closet did you put your clothes and your tools?

A My hat and my vest I had on the upper part of the shelf, and the rest I laid on the floor.

Q What did you find on the shelf when you searched it?

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A Nothing else but a small package of papers. I didn't look at it to examine it. I can't tell what kind of papers they were.

Q How much of the shelf did the papers cover?

A About the size of the paper. They were not folded, about the size of an open paper.

Q What proportion of the shelf did the papers cover?

The Court: How many inches in length?

Mr. Ingham: I want to know what proportion of the shelf.

A It occupied about one quarter of the shelf.

Q Did you feel on the bottom of the shelf to see if there was any grease on it?

A No, I didn't do that.

Q Did you look at it carefully to see if there was any grease on it?

A No, that I didn't do. I only was hunting my brush, but there was not any grease on, or else I would not have put my clothes there.

Q How do you know there wasn't any grease there, if you didn't feel on the board?

A Because I could see it.

Q How high up was the shelf from the ground?

A In the neighborhood of six feet. It may have been below that, about six feet.

The Court: There is a confusion about the 4th or 5th of May. Which day was it you looked for your brush?

Mr. Black: He has said every time it was the 4th of May.

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Mr. Zeisler: The record shows it.

The Court: (Q) What day was it you looked for your brush on the shelf?

A On the 4th of May.

Mr. Foster: (Q) These papers you say were on the shelf, the bundle, how high from the shelf were they up?

A I can't tell precisely. It may have been an inch and a half to two inches.

Q Was it like a newspaper spread out that way. Let him show how the papers were on the shelf. (Hands witness newspaper).

A About that size (indicating), but they were wrapped up in pastboard.

Mr. Foster: Will you have the kindness, Mr. Grinnell, to produce the bundle that was found on the shelf?

Mr. Grinnell: I sent it out. I didn't want it in the building.

Mr. Foster: Will you have it here tomorrow morning?

Mr. Grinnell: Yes, I will try to.

Mr. Foster: Tell him to come back to morrow morning.

A I can't come tomorrow morning at 10 o'clock. Some one has died and I have to go to the funeral.

Q Will you come at 2 o'clock?

A I can't come at 2 o'clock.

Mr. Grinnell: Ask him if he can't come Saturday.

A Yes sir.

Recess to 2 o'clock.

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