Haymarket Affair Digital Collection

Illinois vs. August Spies et al. trial transcript no. 1.
Testimony of Henry Weinecke (first appearance), 1886 July 22.

Volume J, 85-90, 6 p.
Weinecke, Henry.
Officer, Chicago Police Department; German immigrant.

Direct examination by Mr. Grinnell. Cross-examination by Captain Black. Testified on behalf of the Prosecution, People of the State of Illinois.

Police Officer who heard Engel encourage people to buy guns and shoot policemen during a meeting at Timmerhoff's Place, February 1886. Also at the Haymarket meeting. Testified on various topics (page numbers provide a partial guide): plans for warfare against the police and/or capitalists (vol.J 86), call for workingmen to arm themselves (vol.J 86), medical care and wounds (vol.J 86), Engel, George (vol.J 85).

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Henry Wieneke,

a witness for the people, having been duly sworn was examined in chief by Mr. Grinnell, and testified as follows:

Q What is your name?

A Henry Wieneke.

Q You are a police officer?

A Yes sir.

Q Where is your station?

A West Chicago Avenue.

Q How long have you been policeman?

A Since the 20th of April.

Q Before that did you ever see any of the defendants?

A Yes sir.

Q Which one?

A On the other end, the last one.

Q Engel?

A Yes sir.

Q Where?

A 703 Milwaukee avenue.

Q Did you ever hear him make a speech?

A Yes sir.

Q What Hall or what place?

A Timmerhoff's Place, 703 Milwaukee avenue.

Q What did he say?

Objected to. Objection overruled; exception by defendants.

Q When was that?

A Sometime in February.

Q This last February?

A Yes sir, 1886.

Q Was it a meeting in a hall? Were there other people

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Objected to. Objection overruled, exception by defendants.

A Yes sir, it was in a hall.

Q Where were you when you heard him?

A I was standing in the door; the door that goes into the hall.

Q From what?

A From the saloon.

Q Well now, what did you hear him say?

A I heard him say, talking about buying revolvers for the police.

Q Well?

A He said he advised everbody--every man wants to join them to save up three or four dollars to buy a revolver to shoot every policemen down.

Q Did he say anything else--did he say anything about laboring man?

A Well, he says he want every working man who he could get to join them, and then advised everybody you know, you save up three or four dollars to buy a revolver that was good enough for shooting policeman down, he said.

Q You were at the Haymarket?

A Yes sir.

Q Got hit in the head. What company were you in?

A The first company---Lt. Steele's.

Q You were hit with a bullet, were you.

A Yes sir.

Mr. SALOMON--We move to exclude this testimony as irrelevant.

Motion overruled; exception by the defendants.

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Mr. Black:

Q Was it before or after you joined the police that you heard Engel talk?

A That was before.

Mr. GRINNELL--Capt. Black, I will ask one other question.

Q What was the speech that you heard by Engel delivered in? English or in German?

A In German.

Q You understand German?

A Yes sir.

Q You are German?

A I am German.

Mr. BLACK--How much of an audience did Engel have there that night--how many people?

A I don't know. I wasn't in the hall. I stood in the door and listened to it.

Q Well, you could see in the hall, couldn't you?

A It was all crowded; every chair was set.

Q Every chair was full?

A It was not in the night. It was in the afternoon.

Q A public meeting, was it?

A Yes, I guess so.

Q Sunday or week-day?

A Sunday afternoon.

Q Anybody could go in there that wanted to?

A Yes sir.

Q And his advise was to every workingman to save three or four dollars and buy up revolvers?

A Yes sir.

Q And shoot the police?

A Yes sir.

Q Did he make any suggestion that police were to be shot if they interfered with the working men?

A He says

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everybody comes to interfere--not interfere with them; every body they come across, he says.

Q Oh, every one that comes across?

A Yes sir.

Q Wanted to kill everybody whether they wanted to interfere or not?

A Yes sir.

Q Then you rushed off and joined the police force?

A The police was the first ones they wanted to.

Q You immediately after that joined the police force?

A I was not in the hall--I cannot tell you.

Q I ask you if soon after that you did not join the police force?

A I had calculations to join it.

Q You went right off--you were not deterred by that occurence were you?

Mr. GRINNELL--His bandage on his hand will show that he was not deterred.

Mr. SALOMON--That remark is not proper.

THE COURT--The word deterred is not one that is used by the witness.

Mr. BLACK--Q--You went on and joined the police, did you?

A Yes the 20th of April.

Q There wasn't anything said at all by Engel about the police interfering with working people?

A No sir, not what I heard, of it.

Q Not a word. Well, about how much of the speech did you hear?

A He said that and I went off.

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Q You were there about how long at that door?

A Maybe about ten minutes.

Q About ten minutes, and it took Engel about ten minutes to say that, did it?

A No, there was another man had a speech there before, that I did not know.

Q How long did you hear Engel talk?

A I don't know how long he talked after I went away. I told you I went away just as soon as that.

Q How long had he been talking when you went away?

A I don't know.

Q Well, I thought you said somebody else was speaking part of the time.

A Before him, before him.

Q Were you there when he commenced to talk?

A That other fellow?

Q No sir. When Engel commenced to talk.

A Yes sir.

Q You were there when he commenced?

A Yes sir.

Q Now, how long did he talk while you staid there?

A Well, I was standing there about ten minutes, I told you and I went off. I don't know how long he talked after.

Q What I want to get at is how much of the ten minutes while you staid there was Engel talking and how much of the time was the other man talking?

A I don't know how long the other man was talking. I got there when he stopped, and he commenced.

Q You have told us all that you remember that Engel

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said there at that time, have you?

A Not all; only this.

Q What else did he say that you remember?

A He did not say any more what I know of.

Q Then you have told us all that he said that you now remember.

A Yes sir. I wasn't there any longer. I cannot tell you any more.

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